Marvel Studios has quite literally revolutionized the way movies are made. They were the first to fully realize a cinematic universe, something that every other studio in Hollywood is now chasing, and they also set up their entire interconnected slate as “phases”. This wasn’t all an entirely new notion—Marvel was basically just copying how comics have been telling stories for years—but it brought a refreshing spark to the blockbuster landscape, and fans began anticipating the beginning and end of each new phase.

Phase 1 was the first Marvel movies that lead up to the make-or-break one,The Avengers. That team-up movie served as the conclusion to Phase 1, whileIron Man 3kicked off Phase 2. Then Phase 2 concluded withAnt-Man, leading intoCaptain America: Civil Waras the beginning of Phase 3. But it’s now been nearly a decade since Marvel began this journey with the firstIron Man, and it sounds like yet another evolution is in store.

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Collider’s own Steve Weintraub recently spoke with Marvel Studios presidentKevin Feigein anticipation of the release ofGuardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, and in speaking about the prospect of actors’ contracts running out and potentially killing off major characters inAvengers: Infinity Warand theuntitledAvengers 4—which have been described as the culmination of the entire MCU thus far—Feige teased some serious uncertainty with regards to the MCU’s future:

“We’ve been lucky that [contract expirations] haven’t factored in too much. We’ve had people under contract for certain films, then we’ve had new ideas and new directions likeCivil Warlike we wanted to do, and we’ve been lucky enough to make new contracts. OrSpider-Man: Homecoming, the cast has been awesome in their enthusiasm for the direction and the storylines that we’ve been telling. So it really does, right now, all start with where we wanna take the stories. Certainly as we get toInfinity Warthere is a sense of a climax if not a conclusion to, by the time we’re at untitledAvengers 4, the 22 movies that will have encompassed the first three phases of the MCU. And what happens after that will be very different. I don’t know if it’s Phase 4, it might be a new thing.”

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This is the first we’ve heard that the notion of “Phases” might end afterAvengers 4, or at least the notion that life afterAvengers 4might not exactly be “Phase 4.” Whether that means a radical reboot of the MCU, focusing on new characters as folks likeRobert Downey Jr.,Chris Evans, andChris Hemsworthdepart, is unknown. But Feige did note that not a ton of focus is going into what’s happening afterAvengers 4right now, as Marvel Studios has its hands full with eight ongoing productions at the moment:

“We’re not actively discussing anything past untitled Avengers, other than we’ve datedSpider-Man: Homecoming 2—which that would not be the title but that’s what we would call it—because that’s the agreement we made with Sony for the inclusion of Spidey in theAvengersfilms, and James Gunn doing a thirdGuardians of the Galaxyat some point. But really the whole focus of Marvel Studios is, countingGuardians 2, the next eight films that are gonna take up all of our time.”

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Still, Feige admits they have some idea of where the MCU goes after the 2019 untitledAvengers 4, and it’s somewhere quite radical:

“We have an idea [of what the MCU looks like post-Infinity War], and it’s gonna be very, very different.”

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We still have a ways to go to get there, and some really exciting movies in the meantime likeBlack Panther, but I imagine we’ll have a better idea of what Feige’s talking about once we seeAvengers: Infinity Warnext May.

Look for more from our interview with Feige on Collider soon. Peruse links to our recent Marvel coverage below:

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